Yeah, I know there’s an episode of The Deprogram where there’s a soviet historian and she talks specifically about how most neutral or positive sources about the Soviet Union remain untranslated and are not introduced even in academic discussion. Real history is genuinely gatekept by being kept untranslated into english by and large.

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Yes, obviously.

Western media can make any claim they want, most people will not bother to check, especially if the information is in a foreign language.

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They often just outright translate things incorrectly and roll with it. Also western media will always use emotionally laden voice overs instead of the original voice with subtitles.

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Yes, that’s why they invaded Grenada, first and last English-speaking country to have a successful revolution.

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Fuck me. that’s an interesting point. Can you imagine a successful revolution in an english speaking country today?

English language Tik Toks saying "holy shit they just gave our whole class free Huawei tablets! Our first assignment is to look up the relationship between the Islamic state and the US!! Wow, you guys are massively brainwashed, did you know… "

Yes

100%. It works with any country that doesn’t have a recognizable alphabet.

Probably a mixed bag. Some people know their bread is buttered on the side of imperialism/ xenophobia (even is not material, just the feeling of feeling superior). Then there are some people who if they weren’t misinformed, wouldn’t be pieces of shit.

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Someone basically explained that this is how powerhouses like Wikipedia end up with a liberal bias

Absolutely. Language banner is very powerful.

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I think that if Americans could understand Chinese, China would be immediately cancelled.

They may be communist, but their culture is quite incompatible with southern California.

China is already “cancelled”, most libshits think China is literally 1984 and they kill people for being gays so i don’t think anything would change

Could you elaborate?

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Look into lgbt rights or how they treat foreigners, particularly from Africa.

They’re Chinese communists, they don’t follow American dogma.

Found the lib.

Is he the rare conservatives who likes China because it is not a hellhole like South California. Who shares same cultural values like “The China”.

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Just a little reality check, since people mistakenly believe that China must have the same values as Southern California just because they happen to be communist.

After what happened to the Qing dynasty, to think any Chinese leader would share a lot of values the American would have is ludicrous.

Are you from the US? You keep mentioning Southern California and it sounds really similar to how American conservatives speak. California is still a capitalist hellhole, it’s just a little bit more socially ‘progressive’, and most of that is just performative.

Mainstream acceptance of gay people in the US is still pretty recent. Even then, there are many parts of the country where it would not be safe to be openly gay.

Trans people are being openly discriminated against here. Several states are literally criminalizing being trans and threatening to take trans children away from their parents. I honestly worry for their future here - they are not safe. Many libs are still openly transphobic even.

I’m sure China has plenty of issues but you underestimate how many Americans really are. Also, it’s pretty much perfectly acceptable to be openly racist against China, even in ‘left’ circles.

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Why are any of these things “issues”? Is it because the cultural imperialists of the west have told you that they are? That these specific niche issues are something you should pay a disproportionate amount of attention to?

Is it because the Hollywood and Silicon Valley capitalists have told you that they’re issues?

And if Chinese leaders and individuals think that something else is an issue instead, are they wrong? If they believe that social cohesion and traditional socialist values are more important, are they to be told they’re wrong? If their society doesn’t really put any value on defending whatever marginalized groups the western capitalists tell us need to take priority, are the Chinese wrong?

I’ve noted it quite a lot, where rich westerners from silicon valley or hollywood go out and try to shame Asia for not being guilty enough about the fact that America and England did terrible things in the past.

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Just because socially progressive issues are co-opted and corrupted by the capitalists and used as a lure to distract from class issues does NOT mean these aren’t important issues.

I get that attention to them is disproportionate and it is absolutely used as a tool by the capitalists to maintain power but don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater.

I understand the pragmatism of not wanting to cause social unrest by pushing for social progressivism while trying to juggle pushing for socialism but one must also understand how the emancipation of workers from enslavement to capitalists must be complemented with emancipation of workers from other forms of irrational and injust oppression.

You seem to have a very poor opinion of queers. You should try actually talking to some normal ones and not forming your opinion off of the most grotesque American liberal stereotypes. People of all sexualities and genders and races etc. should not be fighting each other or be treated as second class citizens. You can fight imperial Wokeism™ without becoming a bigot.

I’m not one of those western socialists who criticizes most other governments, largely because the USA is the worst of the worst.

But why would a socialist defend oppressing marginalized groups? It sounds like you are agreeing with oppressive US policy.

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You’re bringing your western individualist viewpoint with you, which is why it’s confusing. If you think of socialism as something regarding the whole of society it becomes perfectly clear: It becomes a moral order to do what is necessary to ensure a cohesive and orderly socialist society, and it is the moral duty of individuals to be what the state needs them to be for the cohesive and orderly socialist society.

This is the merging of Communist and Confucian thought into something uniquely Chinese. Obviously, it’s completely different than what the US is doing because they’re doing it for selfish and exploitative reasons and not for the greater good of society.

That makes more sense. I’m just saying, the US will demonize China for literally any reason, based in reality or not.

Do you know how most Americans speak and act?

Who are those Chinese communists??? I have heard about local people turning against African immigrants due to criminal activities by some miscreants. It is unfortunate but party rightfully stepped in and tried to not make it sensational. They tried not make it into a racial issue.

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The police do it, and it appears systemic, such as routinely going to African’s homes to search for contraband.

Also, systemically speaking, there is no broad naturalization process. Anyone can theoretically become a US citizen and many do every year but if you go to china you will always be an outsider on a visa barring extraordinary circumstances.

In terms of LGBT stuff, the CCP has banned depictions of effeminate sissy men on TV. Let’s see how well that would go over in Southern California!

China isn’t the US. Different history, different ideology, different values. If you understand the history of China, it isn’t shocking that they’d come to different conclusions than people in America. If Americans were the colonized rather than the colonizers, they’d have different views of outsiders as well.

its CPC btw

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